Current Events 10/2025

Join Darcy and Huck on Evil Prints Podcast as we jump into the controlled chaos of the happenings at Evil Prints! Darcy shares insights into Huck’s current projects like the Bonnie and Clyde series, the Dolly Parton print, and the newly launched yearly Christmas print. Discover how Huck navigates the whirlwind of artistic commitments, the pressures of today's political and cultural climate, and how historical and current events shape his satirical art. Stay tuned for a glimpse into the mad genius of Tom Huck and the organized chaos that brings his unique artworks to life.

Gerard Finneran: https://www.newsweek.com/flying-handle-71407

Transcript

Darcy: 0:55

Hi

Huck: 0:55

Huck. Hey, how are you doing? Back for another one. Hey, cheers. So just want you to know the reason that I'm comfortable with you doing this, this whole thing. Mm-hmm. Is because you basically ask me shit that you ask me all the

Darcy: 1:15

time anyway. Yeah. That's actually the only reason I agreed to do it too.

Huck: 1:21

Because you, yeah. This is the way we normally talk, right? Like seriously, we talk long. I tell long stories to you.

Darcy: 1:28

Yes. Because you, this is an actual look into if you are in the shop working and you catch Huck on a break and you start talking,

Huck: 1:36

this is what it's like. Mm-hmm. All right. So what you got? What do you

Darcy: 1:39

want? So today we just wanna talk about the current events, current happenings here at Evil Prints. As we're recording this. It's the beginning of October, 2025.

Huck: 1:50

Okay. Well, let's see, what am I working on?

Darcy: 1:55

Yeah, let's start there. Uh.

Huck: 2:01

I am having to uncomfortably these days, juggle multiple projects at one time, and I absolutely loathe it. I used to be able to just do one project at a time. I don't get to do that. I don't have the luxury of doing that anymore. So why is that? Just because to make money, to make a living, you have to be able to,

Darcy: 2:23

because the work that you typically work on this large size, these large size blocks, take those don't make money

Huck: 2:28

until four years after you start'em.

Darcy: 2:31

Right? Because it takes so long from conception to birth. That was a weird

Huck: 2:37

to birth. Well, the thing is, they, they, they, when they are released. Then it, they go out and live their lives. Mm-hmm. The prints, you know, they'll go to dealers, they'll be in shows, they'll do this, they'll do that. They're, you know,

Darcy: 2:53

so between those large works, what do you do to,

Huck: 2:56

I do a lot of small stuff. Either those things, usually they're straight outta my sketchbook and they're ideas for things that I have smaller that I know I can get done faster and. You know, I might work on a small, small thing and I could carve that block in about a week and a half, maybe a week if I'm really hauling ass on it. Mm-hmm. But like mid-size stuff does take some a month. So, but now I've got the Bonnie and Clyde project going right now with Hatch Hatch show print in Nashville at the Country Music Hall of Fame. I've got work. Desperately trying to problem solve and troubleshoot the fucking Dolly Parton print, which has nothing to do with the Country Music Hall of Fame project. It just happens to be about Dolly Parton. We're trying, we're in the printing and finishing stage of that. Mm-hmm. I'm carving the big melt up, which is another big triptych, and I'm carving more Bonnie and Clyde blocks. So I got a lot going on and they all have loose loosely firm deadlines in my mind of when I want things done. So if I can knock out this first act of the Bonnie and Collide, which is what it's called. It's called the fir. It's called an act, act one. There's act one, act two, and act three. If I can get that Act one done, which is 11 small. Ish, uh, broadsheet. I'll be able to just have, like Shelby, one of our assistants come in and we'll do the tie up, the finish up of the project. There's no more carving and drawing of that part of it, and then I'll be able to, it'll ease up a little bit. Mm-hmm. But thrown into the mix here on, there's a fourth thing I'm gonna be starting on tomorrow. The Christmas print.

Darcy: 5:00

The Christmas print. This is a yearly

Huck: 5:01

printing deal. No, it's not yearly. This is the first year. I've done it. I did a Christmas print a few years ago, maybe five, six years ago, and I thought it was a one off. It was the one of the, yeah, it was the one of the, uh, I thought you

Darcy: 5:13

did one every year for the holiday sale.

Huck: 5:16

Uhuh. I only did it once.

Darcy: 5:17

Oh shit.

Huck: 5:17

So I stopped doing it, but we're gonna be doing it every year now. There'll be a yearly Christmas print, which subscribers and special VIP members, and however we're gonna run this thing mm-hmm. Will have. There'll be a few available online. The rest of'em, you gotta get in person in St. Louis on two separate occasions, so stay tuned for all that. But, so I'm starting a Christmas print tomorrow and I'm thinking, I've been thinking about it for about six months. What I'm gonna do, the blocks were cut. Jacob came out here, we renovated my grandfather's table saw, which had been in a shed out here on the property. Mm-hmm. Since 1985. Until three days ago we got it up and running. So we can cut down wood out here.

Darcy: 6:06

That's incredibly helpful. That sounds like a small thing, but that it's pretty could saved. Lot day

Huck: 6:11

Jacob came out, cut down the blocks for the Christmas print.'cause it's gonna be two blocks and there's gonna be a black and white version. Mm-hmm. And there'll be a color version. And, uh, tore the paper for Dolly. It's called the ma, the March of Saint Cataclysms.

Darcy: 6:27

The March of St. Cataclysms.

Huck: 6:29

Yes, the Christmas print and it's going to be this Santa Clausy pseudo cat rat catcher strolling through the ho on the holidays and catching giant rats and killing giant rats. So that's gonna be it. I came up with that. Drinking coffee last week. On the morning. I was like, oh. And also too, there's this really awesome print that I saw a year a couple years ago of a rat catcher from the, it's from like 17 hundreds and it kind of inspired me, so, oh, cool. I'm always taking stuff from old prints and I love that shit. So they all took from each other. So I'm gonna take for them. So that's the St. Cataclysms print, that's the Christmas thing, and we're gonna have that featured during my VIP Christmas. Party and it'll be a certain for a certain price that night. And then the next day, you and me are gonna sit at the vault space in St. Louis from 10 to 2:00 PM 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM there. And it will be available first. Come first of what we have, first come, first serve what we have left. Yeah. Of it. Get some Christmas money in the coffers. And so I got that. Which I'm starting tomorrow, so I'm gonna be working on almost four things at one time, and I really don't like it. And also too, I gotta tell you, well, you and I talked about this a few, a few days ago, maybe This is a hard time to work for me. I'm having a hard time. Like just physically. No, mentally. I go in every day. I do my thing every day in the studio, like I have for 30 years. Get up in the morning, have the coffee, take some coffee down the studio by, I am full on working by 10.

Speaker 3: 8:22

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 8:22

Every day or so. And just the climate, the political and the cultural climate that's hanging over everything. We're not gonna get that heavy into it here. Mm-hmm. But it is hanging over me. It's very bothersome and it's very worrisome.

Speaker 3: 8:36

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 8:37

And it's, but you gotta do it. You gotta go to work. It's always there. It's very depressing, but you know, all the good stuff comes from the worst of times usually, especially in print land. So there's that. And meanwhile, we're just, we've got a busy next year coming, but what's going on right now is the normal, normal stuff every day. Working every day. And we've got about. We're like that guy with pies, spinning pies, the mm-hmm. Street performer. We got like four pies spinning at one time right now, and I'm just waiting for one of the pies to spin off and go into the crowd and splatter somebody's face or mine.

Darcy: 9:22

Hopefully that's where I come in. Yeah. Getting crazy with the calendar. You are Can everybody on the team, you're trying to, on the same page.

Huck: 9:32

This, you're trying to do this Excel spreadsheet shit to me,

Darcy: 9:35

I am. Why? Because you're, you have too many plates spinning to not have, I got a lot of plates

Huck: 9:41

spinning

Darcy: 9:42

to not have, and a lot of it is in your head. So it's easier for the rest of us as a team to have something to refer back to. And I think it will prove helpful to you to have something to refer back to so you don't have to remember it all the time.

Huck: 9:54

Yeah.

Darcy: 9:56

And we can just. Take away some of the chaos by putting in a lot of work up front. Right. To prepare and organize everything. Yes,

Huck: 10:02

I am. I need a little, I need some more organization. Mm-hmm. But also I'm busier than I've ever been. Yes. And I'm tireder than I've ever been, so I have to watch what I'm doing here. I gotta be a little careful with eventually. I think I can do this now, but saying no. Mm-hmm. To stuff never came that easy to me. And I was supposed to, like, there was supposed to be this show at a small, I was supposed to have a small show at, uh, Illinois, a uni, a small university in Illinois that has a museum. I literally, five minutes before we came down here, I just got a message. The show's been canceled, dunno why, and I'm paranoid. I am paranoid because I think it may have been canceled because of my subject matter.

Darcy: 10:55

This just happened

Huck: 10:56

just on the way down here to the, to the studio from the house. This, they came out, did two or three studio visits over the last year. Now it's not happening. It could be a million other things. I'm sure they're gonna tell me. Yeah. They may not tell me the truth, which I don't think. Is a nefarious thing. Mm-hmm. I think they probably think they're protecting my ego or something by not telling me. But yeah, that's a first. That doesn't happen that often. Mm-hmm. Show was canceled. I'm paranoid about this shit. Darce the fuck. How do you know? How do you know it's not the fucking Gestapo, you know? Yeah. Okay. What are the shows gonna be? Oh, we got that. Crazy fucking Tom Huck. He's gonna, we can't have him in here to talk because he talks, he curses and he's anti this or anti that. Politically. He's on the left side of things, you know, that worries us. What if the Trump administration, or God knows who, some local fucking Yahoo Mago. Chapter decides to come down on us. I worry about that stuff now. I never used to worry about that before. It never creeped in to my day to day, but it's here now and it's hanging over everything.

Darcy: 12:18

Well, that's also interesting because, I dunno, state university

Huck: 12:21

a smallish museumy. Thing and a lot of, not a big place.

Darcy: 12:27

Universities are state funding the museum and they're the museums that host a lot of artists.

Huck: 12:34

Yep. So, you know,

Darcy: 12:35

they carry a lot of that

Huck: 12:36

work. I'm very worried about the state of affairs. Yeah.

Darcy: 12:40

And there, there was, universities are getting cracked down on now.

Huck: 12:45

Yeah. I'm ready for this era to be over with.

Darcy: 12:49

Yeah.

Huck: 12:50

But it ain't going anywhere. But the normal day to day. It part of this is my age. It isn't that, I don't, I wanna say it's harder than it used to be.

Speaker 3: 13:12

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 13:14

But not in the ideas. I feel still feel like I'm 25

Speaker 3: 13:20

mm-hmm.

Huck: 13:21

Coming up with. Crazy shit. I have ideas all the time and I work things out over days and days in my head and in sketchbooks, like the Saint Cataclysms that I'm gonna do, which everyone here will see in some way or another. Uh, by December, um, I hatched that over about two or three days thinking about it. Mm-hmm. And then it hit me over coffee warming. But like sometimes it takes six months to come up with these. Six months to a year to plan out, sketch out, conceptualize. Mm-hmm. With notations and everything in my sketchbook. Right. Okay. I still have the same energy for that stuff.

Speaker 3: 14:03

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 14:05

It's the other stuff that I don't have equal energy for. I don't have equal energy for the travel anymore. I don't have equal energy for the. State of our current world anymore, and I don't have the patience for slow trigger pulling in terms of purchases and things like that. Mm-hmm. Because, but that's just part of the business. Right. But, and physically, my elbows and my shoulders. Are fucked. So I am like having to really like, oh my God, I've been doing Tai Chi. Is it helping to stretch? Yeah. It helps my, my upper body for sure. Like my neck and stuff. Oh, that's good. And don't laugh. Everybody like Hucks, do a tai chi. Want a toughie? Fuck off y'all.

Darcy: 15:13

It. Nobody's gonna, that's some samurai

Huck: 15:14

shit.

Darcy: 15:15

Nobody escapes

Huck: 15:16

aging. Nobody escapes aging. So my shoulders and my elbows are from carving upright. It's not my hands. My hands are fine. That's actually impressive because it's normally, it's so, but I can, you know, muscle through with some Tylenol, though it may be autistic if I keep taking Tylenol, you know? So I think

Darcy: 15:32

it's fine if your mom didn't take it.

Huck: 15:34

I think mom may have. Well, there are fucking pictures of my ex-wife's Anne's mom, like popping smoking, like with like a martini one and a cigarette in the other and pregnant with Anne. Mm-hmm. I mean, you see those fucking pictures in Miracle anybody is, and they're not. Okay. I think that just, they're, nobody's, okay. We're just used to'em not being okay. Yeah. That's our new Okay. But anyway, I, you know, I'm reading a lot'cause I'm in the, I'm reading some blues history. I'm finishing up reading anymore Bonnie and Clyde

Darcy: 16:07

mm-hmm.

Huck: 16:07

Stuff because I've had enough of Bonnie and Clyde. I, I know, how

Darcy: 16:10

many years has it been on that three?

Huck: 16:13

But it's, it wasn't full on all three. It was a lot of research during those three.

Darcy: 16:19

And

Huck: 16:19

that's for the country Music Hall of Fame? It's for Hatch. It's a co, it's a collaboration between, between myself and Hatch Show Print, which is at the country Music Hall of Fame. Okay. There'll be a show out there unless it gets canceled. Um, but mm-hmm. Yeah. There's a lot going on. And, and you, we've talked about it. We've got all these normal events in the spring coming up, so that's hanging over you too. You know, you're gonna have to like, you're gonna be a little spread thin. Yeah. Spread a little thin with the, the office work that goes along with this bullshit.

Darcy: 16:51

Well, right.'cause obviously outside of the Prints there's the podcast, there's getting stuff ready for Wood Cup bootcamp. Mm-hmm.

Huck: 16:58

We're in the throes of getting ready for bootcamp much to Jen's chagrin. And, and, but that, that'll be here before you know it. Mm-hmm. But thankfully I do have help now. Mm-hmm. I have help with this stuff. Yeah. But the hardest part is, like, right now, I'm feeling pulled away from work too by stuff. I, I, I'm not, thankfully I canceled a trip'cause I didn't, I couldn't do it financially. But like I am able to sort of

Speaker 3: 17:42

mm-hmm.

Huck: 17:45

Say no to things a little bit easier than I used to. Mm-hmm. There are certainly certain things I will not do again, I'm not gonna be doing any more rock and roll posters. Really? No. That was the Dweezil project was so badass and awesome. The Dweezil Zappa posters. Yeah.'cause I love Frank Zappa huge influence on me. That was a special thing I that I have been fried. Since a year ago, July doing that. I've been behind since that mm-hmm. On stuff, because I put everything, I put a lot of stuff on hold for a month and a half to get those posters done. Those knocked my dick in the dirt, man. I was So

Darcy: 18:29

is that a, is that a saying?

Huck: 18:30

Yeah. Ticking the dirt.

Darcy: 18:31

Oh, okay.

Huck: 18:32

Casual. It's actually a Sammy Hagar song from two, you know,

Darcy: 18:36

I think

Huck: 18:36

I missed that one. Yeah, his Dick's in the Dirt. Yeah, she kicked him where it hurt. You know? I think that's the way it goes. Poetry.

Darcy: 18:45

It's off the album that had, I can't Drive 55 on it. Oh yeah. You know that song, right? No. Get the fuck outta here. You don't know. I can't drive 55. Oh my God, I don't know

Huck: 19:02

what the fuck. Yeah, so I'm so young, but dick's in the dirt. Darce, but kicked where it hurt Huck. Right. That I'm, I'm working through it. I worked through it. I've wor I haven't worked through worse. That's true. Believe it. Or, well now I'm, now that's bullshit. I've worked through two divorces. Mm-hmm. Uh, all kinds of shit like that. So I've worked through worse. This is right. This is like more prolonged.

Darcy: 19:34

It's a marathon. It's a doomy gloomy feeling. I don't know how to explain it. You're just ready for the next thing. It's just dragging.

Huck: 19:44

I'm ready for the end of this era. Culturally.

Darcy: 19:49

Yeah. I think, I hope most people are

Huck: 19:53

maybe, I mean, I, there's this stupid thing that people say, well, you know, you need to just channel this into your work. Do do you mean to wake work about it? You know what? Fuck you. I've been making work about these fucking fuckers since 1995. Dick wads

Darcy: 20:09

just make work. This is, I told you so. Yeah. Come on. I've

Huck: 20:14

been doing this has been these people.

Darcy: 20:18

It's funny, Eddie and I were looking at the, I'm gonna forget the name. The Eddie's your husband? Eddie's my husband. The, the Clinton head. Is that Trump in there with the comb over?

Huck: 20:26

No, that, that print. Where did you see that at? The book. Oh, the book devil's in the details. The devil's in the details. Guys, check it out online. You'll be able to get it somewhere for the video people. There it is. It's beautiful. It's called, it's a print called The Classic American Head Job. That's it. And that was about the whole Monica Lewinsky thing. Ah, that's right. And it's all the scandals exploding. We were trying to figure out, we were trying to

Darcy: 20:55

figure out who everybody was. Oh, I could

Huck: 20:57

tell you who they are right now. Not even looking. There's Johnny Wong, which was a fundraiser. Mm. There's Paula Jones. Which he had an affair with one of the many who came out as having an affair with him. Um, with Clinton there's, with Bill Clinton, uh, there's Trent Lot who I think who was the minority whip in the Senate. There is Al Gore, there's Hillary Clinton in there, and she's in an s and m dominatrix outfit. There's socks. The cat who's got a matching little stud collar. Uh um, was that one of your actual cats here? No socks was, oh, Jesus Christ. I was a child. Sox was

Darcy: 21:40

Clinton's cat. Don't remember that. Who lived in the White House? I remember

Huck: 21:43

that. Yeah. Socks. Socks is jumping outta there. And um, Ross Perot with a strap on, dildo on. And the old reason that I was looking at thinking about him in there was because that is just how you did not want to see Ross per up. Right? It was just for a little. He's got a strap on on. Who else is in there? But Ross has a mask on for some reason's in there. Oh, Jesse Helms is in there. The, if those of you who don't know out there, you should look up Jesse Helms. He is like a member of, was a member of the fucking clan. Mm-hmm. In the Senate. And was that he was one of the main guys in the. Censorship business, trying to censor rock music and all the arts. And Jesse Helms, that was the guy, he was the arch enemy of every liberal leaning arts person. He was the guy and he's in a clan hat. Oh. And then it's one of the few times where I actually worked at making one of my prints look like somebody. Mm-hmm. You know, that's Bill Clinton. You can tell us Bill Clinton right away. That's Bill Clinton. We'll put that in the show notes.

Darcy: 22:53

Right. We'll, we'll put some, some images up.

Huck: 22:55

And Warrington Cole Scott. He's this great, really famous printmaker. He was one of my heroes. He's been dead now almost 10 years, I think, but he was a big hero of mine and he became a really good friend of mine. And he saw that print when I was really young, and I traded that print with him for one of his prints, which I have downstairs in my work room. Cool. And uh. But he did tell me, he goes, you need to, Tom. You need to watch being so, so current, so current, it can be a little dangerous if you're like so of the moment. Mm-hmm. Your stuff can really look dated and I will say that that print kind looks a little dated now. Interesting. I don't work like that anymore because of that. I work in allegory metaphor and using satire. Surrealism to get, mm-hmm. At my point and to leave a little more to the imagination of the viewer. So if you don't necessarily know what you're looking at, you're gonna make up some stuff on your own. There's just some mysteries there. Literal, I was way more literal when I was younger because I was just talking to Clementine, my daughter,'cause she's in art school and she's going through that thing where she's a like. She's 17 and she's going through this thing where everything that she makes, she wants to make work about the political climate. And so she's doing the most obvious, right, straightforward narrative, spelling it out to the viewer, what she's making the work about. And I've been talking to her about, you know, you don't always have to do that, but something you gotta grow into when you're young. You're just gonna grow. If you keep working right, you'll figure it out. You'll figure out some of your own languages and, and visual symbols that work for you to, to talk about. I don't know, you know, the flat earthers, what the fuck are they about? God, right? Can you believe? Or, well, I'm anti ice, or whatever. Well, how are you gonna put that in your work? You know, don't. Let's, you don't want to just necessarily draw a scene of somebody being abducted by guys in masks with ice on their shirts. You want to get at it in a different way. Number one, as the artist, it keeps you more interested in the making of it. Number two. Mm-hmm. It gives the audience something to chew on and get there, and when they do get to that end, the message is gonna be more profound because they found it. It is like taking your viewers on a ride. Mm-hmm. So back to the Bill Clinton print. I mean, there's some ha ha ha slapstick. Mm-hmm. You know, tongue in cheek, literally. Oh, Monica's in there. Monica Lewinsky? I would think so. I mean, she's in there. She's the one that gave Clinton a blowjob in the office. Oval office. Mm-hmm. People forget. Do you remember that scandal? People forget that was. A burn the City American politics down, isn't it? So, it was so serious. Funny. Now

Darcy: 25:55

how benign that is compared to what's happening today. It's

Huck: 25:59

so simplistic. It was so, it was seedy.

Darcy: 26:05

But people were really grasping their pearls at that.

Huck: 26:08

Yeah. Pe it was, the word is tawdry. Oh, yes. Because it's unbecoming. Mm-hmm. It was becoming of the president and then he splurged on her blue dress and, and she kept it. People forget that and they went like the SWAT team. It's a lot of bad decisions. Busted down the door of Lewinsky's apartment and got the dress. People re don't remember all this. Wait girl, throw that in the wash. Come on, throw it. Yeah, but people don't know. I was gonna do a whole set of prints about this whole thing, but I just did the one I think I was gonna call it like. The legend of bunny Bluesky, like she just blew in to the room, you know? But that's a good time, God. But it wouldn't work now. Mm-hmm. Nobody knows who she is. Mm-hmm. So if I were doing something about that, I wouldn't talk about her. I talk about the bigger issues. Mm-hmm. I just do like a gigantic pile of coagulating writhing bodies. On the White House lawn or something, you gotta go way over the top with it and don't necessarily name names. Keep it vague.

Darcy: 27:20

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 27:21

Yeah. I do that. That's,

Darcy: 27:23

I'm going, that's some of like the surrealism, you're talking about changing the, you've got a location, but the activities there so far beyond that, they have to chew on it.

Huck: 27:34

Yeah. And I like to take the viewers on a, on a ride my line that's out there with all my stuff. It is. The way I sort of say where I'm at is I like to walk a fine line between the whimsical and the terrifying.

Darcy: 27:51

That's a good way to put it, because that's a really good way to put it. I want

Huck: 27:54

people to be horrified, but I want'em to come back like a monster movie, you know? Mm-hmm. And I want'em to dig deeper and I want'em to look again, but I want'em to be a little shocked.

Darcy: 28:04

I, I'd see you,

Huck: 28:06

but yeah. This nailed it. Here's what's hard. I'll tell you exactly what's hard about. Being a narrative satirical artist, visual artist in this climate. Oh lord. There is a Monica Lewinsky scandal. A new one every fucking day. At least one.

Darcy: 28:30

At least one a day.

Huck: 28:31

Every day there is a new scandal. I think part of that's engineered. Oh, completely. But the other part is just, that's how fucked up they are. And we are on the whole, so it's like there's not even anything that you can chew on for a, a, a, a, a normal amount of time to filter something through your creative id. Mm-hmm. To come out on the other side. Whether this is overwhelming, not you steep it in allegory and metaphor. Mm-hmm. Uh, there's just not enough. You're getting some new poison to the well within 24 hours. So basically what I've kind of done, that's part of the reason for doing Bonnie and Clyde because it's retro fucked upness. Mm-hmm. That is pertinent to what we're going through now. Mm-hmm. Those were, it was an economic situation that birthed that craziness. And it's a class warfare thing. Mm-hmm. Definitely. So that's kind of why I'm, I started working in, even though I kind of didn't know it instinctively, I kind of grew away from the direct narrative, literal spelling out the bad guys.

Darcy: 29:57

Yeah.

Huck: 29:57

I don't really do that anymore now. Now Bonnie and Clyde are bad guys, but they're like. Anti-heroes. Mm-hmm. In a weird way, they aren't to me, but they were in their day, which basically I was inspired to do my take on something historical. Mm-hmm. By Tarantino, I mean, once upon a time in Hollywood, I started thinking, well, why can't I do something like that and take something and make it kind of, um, what do they call it? Um, historic fiction. Yeah. That's cool. Why not? And a lot of my work in the coming years, well, I mean, is planned

Darcy: 30:34

to be in that realm. When you look at, I mean, take the Bonnie and Clyde, the anti-hero. Look at what we're just going through with the whole Lu Luigi Mangione. I know. A, a current, I know anti-hero to some, you know. Yeah. I got, I got shooting the ceo. The thing is,

Huck: 30:49

you know what I understand that's part of the thing with Bonnie and Clyde. Okay. If you really get deep into that story, which we're gonna talk about, I'm sure there'll be Oh yeah. We'll do, when we release. When we release the, Bonnie and Clyde said there'll be a couple of special episodes that mm-hmm. You know, you're gonna want to. Get into my head over about, about the, the Bonnie and Clyde stuff. Mm-hmm. When you do a really deep dive into that, you realize it is a harrowing, terrible story and there was no hope for these people, these young people. They were doomed to be extremely poor for their entire lives and in a class in a fourth class citizenship mm-hmm. In the United States because of. Where they came from and their families had fled the Dust Bowl and moved to West Dallas and it was, they were doomed to be in West Dallas. The devil's front porch is, I think what they called it and they were, there's abuse in there and it's, it's just a harrowing thing. Mm-hmm. You know, there are people that are doomed to that kind of fate now.

Darcy: 32:06

Yeah. And, and the harder economic times are, the more people are stuck in their situations. So,

Huck: 32:12

and then the people, they were sticking it to the banks or what people thought they were bank robbers. They didn't really rob a lot of banks. They robbed like Piggly Wigglys mm-hmm. Grocery stores and shit. Mm-hmm. And restaurants for nothing. They were terrible at it. But the thing is, that's kind of where I'm at. Like, I'm interested, I make art about what I'm interested in. At the time, and so I do a lot of research mm-hmm. Before I commit to these projects. And so I, I bought, I bought online the whole FBI files. Oh wow. I got a big binder in the mail, everything. I got it all. And I just books and. Yeah. Research I look lit because music's an important part of the project, but it's also important to the time period. Every movie that's made, if they're making a movie about the thirties, you're gonna have mo music from the thirties in there and it sets a tone. So I'm figuring out a way that's cool to, to make. I'm using song lyrics from Jimmy Rogers songs, which was Bonnie's favorite.

Speaker 3: 33:15

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 33:17

Recording artists at the time. That's cool. And so we're using that stuff and as song lyrics and scattered throughout. But I'm also using some modern stuff. There's some ac DC song lyrics in there. Oh, cool. But so the Bonnie and Clyde project is my way of sort of not doing something that is like, oh my god. Trump just said what to the generals. I gotta make something about that. Back when I was 20, I'd have done some shit about that. Probably when I was in my twenties. I, I had, you know, up, stay up three nights in a row and carve this block, you know?

Speaker 3: 33:59

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 34:00

I don't work like that anymore. And you're, I'm just overwhelmed by the information of the absurdity that's out there now. Yeah. I, I'm gonna go up there to the house tonight. Mm-hmm. And I'm gonna sit down and there's gonna be something fucking new that shows up that this guy does. I can't professionally keep up with that.

Darcy: 34:18

I don't. I think it's, yeah,

Huck: 34:19

I can't, you're not

Darcy: 34:20

supposed to be able to.

Huck: 34:21

Well, I am a satirist and I'm a gatherer of information, and I filtered out about what I think should be better about society and what's wrong with society and how we could be better. I'm like, Hogarth, one of my heroes. Hold up a mirror to society. Look at, this is how fucked up we are. Yeah. Okay. You know what? Maybe it was like this in Hogarth's Day. Well, there was a scandal every day, but I highly doubt it.

Darcy: 34:48

We weren't gonna hear about him as much because now we're so connected that we get to travel, get all that information traveled so

Huck: 34:53

much slower,

Darcy: 34:54

and it's worse'cause we get it right out of his dumb orange mouth. You know, you can't deny that he's got, he's got his own social media site, everything. It's just, it's

Huck: 35:05

every part of our lives, whereas back in the day. If Bill Clinton said something stupid or GW said something stupid, it'd be a day or two before you heard about it, and then you could kind of, you're gonna see it in the print media.

Speaker 3: 35:24

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 35:25

They're not looping it on fucking wand dock and fucking talk, whatever the fucking. Tick jack off, whatever it's called, a TikTok video of like a looped loop loop put to the latest fucking soundtrack of whomever, just Ed Sheeran or whatever the fuck that loopy. What's half's that guy? What's the, what are those? Those new stuffed animals. What? What the fuck are you? There's these, you gotta look this up. Oh, they're called, uh, Lulu Luby, or what the fuck are they called? Lab Booboos. They're called

Darcy: 35:58

Lab booboos. Lab Boob boos. Lab Booboos. Lab Boob boos.

Huck: 36:01

Well, the thing is, you remember I was gonna do, like if I give, see what it looks like. What

Darcy: 36:04

is it? What's the deal?

Huck: 36:05

It, well, basically what it looks like, me and Delilah, my daughter, were laughing about this. I go, what is a lab booboo? She's like, even, she was like, what are you talking about? Lab booboo stuffed animals. Now I made fun of toys in a lot of my early work. I still put those things in there. That's a labu boo.

Darcy: 36:28

Oh, it's got, what is it? Okay, so it, it basically looks like, the face looks a little bit like an anime rabbit. Yeah, but it's got a really wide creepy smile with pointy teeth and then a bunny head. Oh my god. Those mochi chi, are you familiar with those from, how do you know what a Mochi chi is? Because I lived in Okinawa for six years. Mon

Huck: 36:52

Chichi Mochi Chi. Oh, it's a soft and cuddly with a thumb in a mouth Cheese. Really neat. Fun. Two plate with their little feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man,

Darcy: 37:01

Gigi,

Huck: 37:02

it was a huge, why the

Darcy: 37:04

fuck? Do I remember that? And I didn't know Ed, that background. It was just one of the little like toys they had in the little Japanese stores, these little boo boos. That's why I'm, and they, they look like more, I think they look

Huck: 37:17

like Ed Shean, what they do. Delilah and I were like, I think, I think Ed Shean looks like a fucking lab booboo. Okay, well we're gonna have to go side

Darcy: 37:26

by side of that.

Huck: 37:27

Yeah. And. But then like there's, here's an early, a mid two thousands reference. Like if I were to make work the way I used to see, I still have these mm-hmm. Impulses to make very, right now, knee jerk reaction to pop culture works. I just don't do'em. And maybe some of those ideas get filtered in, in a different way through drawing and thinking, but like. Lab boob boos. First of all, the name's stupid, but I, I was thinking, well, reality tv, I was thinking, what about Honey Lab Boo. That could be the follow, because I dunno if people remember Honey Naked. Honey Boo Boo. You remember Honey Boo Boo? Yeah. Honey Lab

Darcy: 38:14

Boo Boo. Oh My Honey Lab. Boo Booo. Oh yeah. And her mom. Oh, that was a sad story. Look, that would be a great, it

Huck: 38:22

would be a good, when we talk about down the road, the Brandy Bag Head thing. Mm-hmm. American trash culture, which is a lot of what we're dealing with now on E Ultra steroids. That was my jam. Oh man. And it what really formed me, so there were two things back in the the, I know this was supposed to be current events, but who gives a fuck? I'm talking about this, so like. There were things that formed me. Two things culturally that formed my, well, three that formed my, like ethos of what I want to explore as an artist. Uhhuh, the first one, well, there's like four, but anyway, the first one was five, just five. Was, uh, the Tonya Harding, oh, incident Captain, knee captain. What was her name? Nancy Kerrigan. Tanya Harding. Uh, GA Lead. She got GA lead there. Was that in Brandy bag yet? The third panel? It's an ice skater. Yeah, she's an ice skater. So the The Nancy Kerrigan. Tanya Harding Fiasco, which there's a fantastic movie with, what's her name

Darcy: 39:48

playing. Oh, I, Tanya Margot Robbie. Yeah. Fuck us. That was a gravy. Fucking believe. I need to re-watch that. Allison

Huck: 39:53

Janny is amazing in that too. Too. Unbelievable. So there's the Tonya Harding incident. There was the Monica Lewinsky incident, which we just talked about with Bill Clinton.

Speaker 3: 40:06

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 40:09

There, and then there was a doll recall of the snack time, cabbage Patch kids. Mm-hmm. That happen where the Cabbage Patch kids. Um, you could feed them. You could feed'em, and then the, but the motor didn't engage and didn't disengage until the french fry that they came with was done. But kids scouts and in the

Darcy: 40:33

diaper.

Huck: 40:33

Of the doll kids. The dolls were attached to kids' scalps, right?

Darcy: 40:37

Yeah. I I I told you we, we had that as a child. Yeah. Doll sister had one. And your fingers would off get stuck in it. And there was like a gear inside. So if it got your hair, it would, it,

Huck: 40:46

it went like, yeah. And it just got stuck to kids' heads. So that was in the news and they did a big recall. Oh. So there was, so there was Tanya Harding toys were not safe. Snack time, cabbage Patch Kids Demon, Monica Lewinsky. And then there was something else. I can't, but those three things. OJ was another one.

Darcy: 41:08

That was a wild time. Mid

Huck: 41:09

nineties stuff is what really? You had

Darcy: 41:11

big breaks between at least. Yeah. It wasn't all at once like it would be now. That would've been one afternoon today,

Huck: 41:16

right? One afternoon. Those things I did with the exception of oj, I did Prints about three out of those four.

Darcy: 41:23

Yeah.

Huck: 41:23

There's something else that I had for a second there occurred to me that helped form me. Um, but. It. The common factor through there, all of them is tabloid, sensationalism, and trash. Mm-hmm. It's like Big Mac news. Like you eat the Big Mac and then you're like, oh yeah, that was good. And then about an hour and a half later you're like, why the fuck did I eat that Big Mac? Mm-hmm. That's the way we are with news now. Right. But you're gonna eat another one because you forget. Mm-hmm. Because it's laced with sugar. So we just, that's where we're at now. That's why your brain, I ke so, but I don't do that pro, I don't process current events anymore the way I used to. I have to, it's all in there. It's a barre. I make burritos. I don't make single salad. Single style tacos. I make burritos. There are layers to what I do. Like an onion. I make visual shit sandwiches where it's just like, this is

Darcy: 42:29

really a culinary, uh, yeah.

Huck: 42:32

Yeah.

Darcy: 42:33

Explanation of your work.

Huck: 42:34

The Tanya Harding thing was huge. Yeah, it was. I,

Darcy: 42:38

I remember that and I was, it was

Huck: 42:39

so huge in the way that I processed and made work about, because I didn't literally, I didn't. Make any work that referenced that until, what year was that?

Darcy: 43:00

I think it was 97 or 98. No, before that. 94.

Huck: 43:06

See? Yeah, it was when I was in grad school, so I didn't make any reference to that until 15 years later. Really? BBrandy Bag Head. Uh, it was in 2009 and that's where I referenced, but it was all like, mm-hmm. By then it had become reality TV too.

Darcy: 43:28

Oh yeah.

Huck: 43:29

Where there was that in there. So all this stuff that we're dealing with now, I've been making work about that stuff for, since the very, be for 30 years.

Speaker 3: 43:41

Mm-hmm.

Huck: 43:44

Yeah, so it's not like I'm in my first rodeo here of just like I'm in make a print about Christine. No, shooting her dog in the head. Okay. I'm not, you know, oh God. It was fucking I, you know, that's what I would've done back, but like I'd had like six weeks before the next crazy fucking thing would've happened. You could actually get something done. Oh, I know. The fourth one. The fourth incident. That formed me

Darcy: 44:09

Uhhuh,

Huck: 44:10

his name, and you can look this up, kids. His name was Gerard Finan and he was the CEOI want to say of Citibank or Cico, and he was on a flight. From Buenos Aries to New York or from New York to Buenos Aries. And they kept serving him alcohol and when they stopped serving him alcohol, he got pissed and took a shit in the serving cart on the plane. Right? The dude got banned from flying. This is probably in 98, 99 maybe, and this is in the news, and I'm like, God damn. I've actually, I had a, I'm using a title, part of a title from that original idea that I never did. Mm-hmm. I never did a print about Gerard Fin in on the plane. I never did it. Oh. But I kept the title and I'm using, I'm repurposing part of that title from that, which was, I came up with that. Uh, maybe doing a print about that. That was like 1996 or some shit. Uhhuh 95 Uhhuh. But now I'm,

Darcy: 45:22

I'm, that's interesting how far back those that you can pull from that.

Huck: 45:26

It's all there though.

Darcy: 45:28

Well, and it's cyclical. Gerard

Huck: 45:29

Finneran

Darcy: 45:30

mm-hmm.

Huck: 45:31

As a character. Mm-hmm. In my visual plays, the, his spirit is there.

Darcy: 45:39

Oh yeah. The first one I thought about was, um, I forget the name, the birthday boy. Snack time. Marcy is the birth that's in snack time. Marcy? Yeah, that's the one about the

Huck: 45:49

snack time. Cabbage Patch kids.

Darcy: 45:51

Yeah, but what's the poop one? They're shitty in there. Yes,

Huck: 45:53

that's, see, there's a little bit of that and there's airplane

Darcy: 45:56

bombers in the third one. See?

Huck: 45:58

Probably snack time. Marcy, there was some Gerard ish stuff in there. Look, just go look up that name and I wonder if he's alive. Yeah. But I wonder if he's been on a flight. I don't think so. I think he got banned from air travel for his life. Like all of them? Yeah. All the airlines. All of them. Wow. He went to jail or some shit. He had to pay it, and it was just like, can you imagine being in that fucking cockpit of that or no? The, the plane. Oh my gosh. When he did that?

Darcy: 46:30

No, it was a serving cart. Yeah, dude, just. Deuced out on the serving cart. He deuced out on the,

Huck: 46:38

do you know how mad you gotta be and fucked up? You gotta be to drop

Darcy: 46:45

trout. You have to like and pinch one out, like on the serving. Like did you have to climb up and crab over it? Like hold your body up on the serving cart. So now you're mad, you're drunk, you're mad, you're drunk, you're in a precarious.

Huck: 47:00

All of which things that you know about. Mad Drunk. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, yeah. Huh? Yeah. Huh. Three weeks ago. Four. When was that? A month and a half ago. I don't know. See, you don't even remember. It's concussed. You were concussed. Potentially. We'll get into, I potentially we'll get into that one another down there. And Jen was involved in that too with you. So, uh, but it was the best. You've gotta be one mad motherfucker to pinch one out on a serving cart in first class. Oh, in first class and okay, how do I, how do I man find out about this news? I read about it. In a newspaper.

Darcy: 47:39

Newspaper do one of these or you opened it or you had done like

Huck: 47:42

USA today or something? I turn the pages. I think I saw it when I was in Europe or something. Oh.

Speaker 3: 47:47

Because I

Huck: 47:48

was buying USA today to just to get some, you, there was no Google motherfuckers in 1996 Isn't funny. When I was traveling in Europe, I got this news and it was a bigger news in Europe because he was. There was some, the Buenos air to New York flight, you know, it was more cosmopolitan. Mm-hmm. Or somebody ooh, a CEO traveling. But you gotta be fucking outta your mind man to do, to take a shit in front of everybody, you know? I

Darcy: 48:15

mean, on, on so many levels, like why is that what you choose to do? You imagine

Huck: 48:19

the noise and the smell and you're, you're close to it. The sight, just the man, the sight, the noise, the

Darcy: 48:26

smell. Hoisting his body up to dump all over the serving cart, hoisting

Huck: 48:32

his body up to dump all over the serving cart.

Darcy: 48:35

And what the reaction, there's something kind of like acrobatic and like physical about, like those are are tall. That's, that's what's like, right. You really had to just be so full of spite

Huck: 48:46

and, or, or he thought he was in the shitter.

Darcy: 48:51

How he may have, like, explain to me how you're climbing over a car. Well, mean you're, this is

Huck: 48:55

normal. He could have been in a hallucinatory drunken state and thought that he had made it to the bathroom. He may have,

Darcy: 49:05

I mean, I mean, Darwin had a lot of solid

Huck: 49:08

points. I think that this is maybe the, I'm tired now. This has worn me out. I think we're good. Right? What's going on in Huck's head? Well.

Darcy: 49:17

That that's current events.

Huck: 49:18

Okay. There'll be more.

Darcy: 49:20

More to come. Ra Suckas.